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This Week: "Sick Around the World" (60 minutes),
Tuesday, Apr. 15 at 9pm on PBS (check local listings)
Live Discussion: Chat with correspondent T.R. Reid April 16, 11am ET


If you look at the World Health Organization's rankings of national health care systems, you'll find the United States sandwiched, uncomfortably, between Costa Rica and Slovenia -- 37th overall.

In this Tuesday night's FRONTLINE broadcast, "Sick Around the World," veteran Washington Post foreign correspondent T.R. Reid asks: What can we learn from some of the thirty-six countries listed above us? With health care reform at the top of the agenda this election year, the answers couldn't be more timely.

In Japan, for example, Reid finds that people go to the doctor three times as often as Americans, have more than twice as many MRIs, use more prescription drugs, and spend more days in the hospital, yet Japan spends about half as much per capita as the United States thanks to strict price controls -- a ten-dollar a night hospital stay, a ninety-eight dollar MRI.

In Taiwan, every citizen is issued a "smart card" containing a person's entire medical history and a code to get bills paid automatically, cutting administrative costs to less than 2% -- a fraction of the 12-30% of American health care dollars that are estimated to be eaten up by all of the paperwork burdening doctors and hospitals.

To be sure, many of the countries Reid visits still have their problems: doctors protesting low pay in Germany, hospitals struggling to stay in business in Japan and Taiwan, patients complaining about long lines and limited choices in the United Kingdom. But, in these countries, Reid also finds a few bottom-line rules of successfully providing universal health care that none of the U.S. presidential candidates has yet dared to suggest: Doctors and hospitals have to accept a set of fixed prices for all services, and private insurance companies can't make a profit when delivering basic care. Not a dime.

Is this our way out of our health care mess? Could an American politician ever propose such reforms or pass them? We hope you'll tune in Tuesday night and after, visit our Web site to watch the program again online, find out more about the five capitalist democracies examined in this report, or read a q&a with correspondent T.R. Reid. And we invite you to join in the discussion, at [www.pbs.org]

Senior Editor
Ken Dornstein

and so it starts

I heard an interview with this guy on the radio. He is absolutely IN LOVE with socialized medicine. He kept saying how people in Britain never pay a single medical bill. Then he would brush aside the amount of taxes everyone pays. An interesting guy but hardly what I would call balanced.

I heard an interview on NPR with someone from Japan. Over half of their hospitals are in dire financial straights and the doc's are sucking wind. It all sounds good until a doc makes $5 to sew someone up. Not much motivation to take on 100k in student loans when you can't pay them back. I guess the government would have to subsidize the doc's education. This is starting to sound like a messy journey.

I didn't notice Tilt started the thread. Since you grew up in a household of docs, you'd have a unique view of the getting paid/making a living as a doc in a socialized medicine world.

>>>>> Please note this is simply posted as an FYI, not an invitation to flame. <<<<<

Hello, ladies and germs.

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>>>>> Please note this is simply posted as an FYI, not an invitation to flame. <<<<<

No flame intended. I think you'd have a unique insight into this. Somehow, the masses need affordable, realistic coverage while the hospitals have to stay in business and there has to be enough income potential for the docs to assist in motivating them to go through the rigors of medical school and pay off the enormous debt that they graduate with.

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I heard an interview on NPR with someone from Japan. Over half of their hospitals are in dire financial straights and the doc's are sucking wind.

And that's different than here.... how?

To all who are attempting to bring TROLL TALK here...

BLESS YOUR PEA PICK'IN Hearts

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I heard an interview on NPR with someone from Japan. Over half of their hospitals are in dire financial straights and the doc's are sucking wind.

And that's different than here.... how?

They talked about US hospitals but made the distinction that theirs are in much worse shape.

For example, the reimbursement for a simple suture over there as $5. Yes, $5.

I don't think a non-fuego discussion can remain so for any length of time on this subject.   So like I said at the beginning ---- It's just an FYI about the program coming on.

so why couldn't you just post the subject title, the time and place and a link. You had to have known when you posted the entire editorial that it would be considered provocative so don't act like you aren't being feugo.

>>>>> Please note this is simply posted as an FYI, not an invitation to flame. <<<<<

DH, I'd be happy to answer that question over on TrollTalk, but I can't.

Just answer the straght question.

I gotta agree with Hyway.

"Please note this is simply posted as an FYI, not an invitation to flame"
would sound to anyone who disagreed with the text, like "I get to offer my point of view and anyone who disagrees should STFU about it." I've called a TT poster on this kind of thing a few times.

Dayhiker's and Nigal's posts were just as much FYI as the thread starter.

Tilt - I wasn't trying to draw you out into a flame war. I admire your, Discretion is the better part of valor approach.

I need to ask my biz partner his thoughts. He's on a hospital BOD that owns about 1000 hospitals.

Yes, I understand.  

>>>>> Please note this is simply posted as an FYI, not an invitation to flame. <<<<<


Neat! I'll just put this "disclaimer" up on any FUEGO threads I might start!

What's fair will tilt, is fair for everyone! Right? LOL


>>>>> Please note this is simply posted as an FYI, not an invitation to flame. <<<<<

Tonight’s installment is a repeat from April 2007 (no live chat tomorrow).


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- This Week: "Hot Politics" (60 minutes),
Tuesday, Apr. 24 at 9pm on PBS (check local listings)
Inside FRONTLINE: Some investigative history
- Live Discussion: Chat with correspondent Deborah Amos, Wed., April 25, at 11 am ET

No, "Hot Politics," our broadcast this Tuesday night, is not about the early going in the race to be the next president. Instead FRONTLINE and the Center for Investigative Reporting examine why the federal government has been slow to wake up to the challenge posed by global warming. Why, we ask, when there was a scientific consensus that the earth is warming articulated nearly 20 years ago, have Republican and Democratic administrations alike been unable to come up with a strategy to deal with the problem?

In 2008 it is possible that both major party nominees will run on platforms that call for mandatory action to do something about the nation's carbon emissions. But as correspondent Deborah Amos and producer Peter Bull reveal in our look back at what happened, such proposals have been on the table before. Powerful industries - coal, oil, mining and electric utilities - got both parties to back away from meaningful action by first attacking the scientific consensus and then raising the specter of damage to the economy. As a result, the U.S. began to go it alone in terms of the worldwide climate debate.

Former Vice President Al Gore did travel to Kyoto and pledged U.S. support for mandatory reduction standards for carbon dioxide emissions. But when he came home, the treaty to which he committed the nation was never even submitted to the Senate for ratification (where it faced almost certain defeat). One Clinton administration official, Deputy Secretary of State Eileen Claussen, quit her job in frustration. Says Claussen, "... It's better to have good rhetoric than bad rhetoric, but it's actually better still to want to do something."

When President Bush took the U.S. out of the Kyoto treaty process altogether, former head of the Environmental Protection Agency Christine Todd Whitman, tells FRONTLINE: "The way it happened was the equivalent of flipping the bird, frankly, to the rest of the world..." And the Bush administration would go one step further. Scientists within the government were told to stop talking about climate change. An important study that assessed the potential impact of global warming on different regions within the U.S. - and the need to plan for those events - was actually suppressed.

If you are interested in how 'hot' are the politics around climate change, the way the media were spun to fashion the discussion, and the orchestrated attack on the science behind global warming, you will want to see this investigative history. If you cannot join us Tuesday night, the program will be available for viewing on our Web site the day after, along with special reports, maps, the extended interviews, and the opportunity to join in the discussion about this report.

Louis Wiley, Jr.
Executive Editor

Is this for informational purposes only also?

I thought we were trying to not do the fuego thing over here.

Someone needs to stop tilt before he feugos again

Tilt, report to the fuego addiction thread. There's going to be an intervention.

Everyone lookit!

Tilt has a boner!

Frontline is a good show. Hard for me to understand how it fits in General Outdoors Discussions, though. Fuego blows.

When I seen "FRONTLINE" I thought this was going to be about the stuff you use on your dogs to prevent fleas and ticks.

Did anyone else catch the Frontline on Bad Voodoo? Holy smokes, I sure hope no one I know ever has to do convoy duty. Very eye opening. The stress the soldiers have every day is staggering.

Yo Matt....delete this thread pronto....there's nothing here of any use or sense. Your patients are running amuck, maybe you should double the med dosage....

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This Week: "Storm Over Everest" (120 minutes),
Tuesday, May. 13 at 9pm on PBS (check local listings)
Live Discussion: Chat with filmmaker David Breashears May 14, 11am ET

David Breashears, the filmmaker behind this week's FRONTLINE broadcast, is not the typical FRONTLINE producer. In addition to credits on over forty film projects and a handful of Emmy's, he's done something that few others can top. Five times, he's reached the summit of the earth's tallest mountain: Everest.

It was while leading an IMAX film team toward the summit in May of 1996 that Breashears, a world-renowned climber, became involved in rescue efforts after the worst climbing catastrophe in the mountain's history--the deaths of five men and women on the south side of Everest, and three more on the north side, when a fast-moving fierce storm swept over the mountain. The events of that May were recounted in a number of popular books and films, but Breashears couldn't shake the feeling that the fuller story had yet to be told.

A few years ago, Breashears decided to return to the mountain. Then he began to record interviews with the climbers and Sherpas who'd survived that May on Everest, many of whom had never before spoken publicly. The resulting film, "Storm Over Everest," is a remarkably intimate telling of the story--an extraordinary portrait of people making impossible choices under extreme circumstances, some of whom die as a result, and others who struggle with how to live on in the aftermath.

"The mountain isn't burdened by our hopes or dreams," Breashears says near the end of this film. "It's what the mountain reveals about us that has any lasting value." In "Storm Over Everest," what Breashears is able to reveal about himself, and about the survivors who were willing to relive this story with him, can't help but make a lasting impression on us all.

And a note: You're one of the lucky ones if you have HD television to view this particular FRONTLINE.

So we hope you'll join us Tuesday night. And after visit our Web site, where you'll find the survivors' stories in which they talk about leadership and responsibility on the mountain; the lure of Everest; life after Everest; how the media covered the tragedy; and the hour-by-hour unfolding of the disaster. And, of course you can watch the full program again online, and join in the discussion at -- [pbs.org]

Senior Editor
Ken Dornstein



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+ Live Online Discussion on Washingtonpost.com ...
Filmmaker David Breashears will be online this Wednesday, May 14th, at 11am ET, to discuss "Storm Over Everest"

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Thats it...Tilt..take Fuego over to Troll Talk. Please

? feugo?

Try reading for a change.

its fundamental

LOL...BLESS YOUR PEA PICKEN HEART THERE TILTY.

And a note: You're one of the lucky ones if you have HD television to view this particular FRONTLINE.

Well, I gots me the HDTV, but my sucky cable provider apparently can't send the signal out properly. Every minute or so, the image breaks up and the sound goes away. I think I'll stick to the good ol' regular broadcast.

I love how Comcast spends ungodly amounts advertising how many HD channels are coming online..... but they don't have the resources to support the channels they already have (even the regular ones).   The audio is continually dropping out and the video pixelates and freezes.   I've gone up and down the dial at times only to find that 6 or 7 channels have stopped cold.... and they stay that way for a half hour.

Welcome to the Future!

Same here, Tilt. Time Warner sucks rocks. I can't watch nat. geo because the video is constantly dropping out.

I will try to catch this episode, though. Thankies.

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The audio is continually dropping out and the video pixelates and freezes.

That's EXACTLY what happens when I try to watch almost any of their HD offerings. The video detail is incredible, but it's so frustrating to see it freeze up like that!

Funny how Comcast does that on regular channels..... no HD, no "On Demand".... just Plain Vanilla.   I wouldn't be surprised if Broadcast TV acts the same way after the changeover next year,   LOL

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Wow.

That was indeed off the chain!!

Heads up! it can be viewed ad nauseum at pbs.org.

I caught the second half after the hockey game ended. Pretty powerful film.

I thought the Taiwanese climber put things in perspective when he said if he had known that climbing Everest would have cost him his hands he never would have gone.

After watching the Russell Brice expeditions the past two years I thought the same thing. No way I want to go up there and lose parts of my body and be happy I didn't die. Not that I could do it at this point in my life.

You see young people who condition themselves to climb and still run into problems. You just don't know what that mountain will dish out until you're eating from the plate.

It definitely drove home the point of Brice's apparent obsession with weather forecasting.

Is it just around these parts or are fleas out in full force everywhere this summer? Seems unusually bad around here this year.

Same here GNM. My dogs have never had a flea problem until this year and its crazy. I have used every type of flea preventative you can get and they keep coming back.
At the moment they seem to be under control, but my biggest concern is to not let them get into the house. That would be a mess.

I've noticed no fleas up this far, but there are tics up the gazooch (and that's not where you want 'em) and trillions of skeeters. The chickens are starting to fan out over the yard and I'm hoping they will make difference in my favor.

We had a pretty warm Winter -----

Haven't gotten swarmed with mosquitoes, though.


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